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Old 11-06-2009, 01:20 PM
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yeah that thing is nasty..but i will never own a dsm again, i had 1991 galant vr4 it was fast run broke every other day, in 4 months i went threw 2 trannys , transfer case,rear,and a block,the only thing then didnt break has the head due too me building it.
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It does, whats this got to do with the thread? I had the manifold off for like 48 hours plumming it for the direct port meth. Other then that, its ran for months now.
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yeah that thing is nasty..but i will never own a dsm again, i had 1991 galant vr4 it was fast run broke every other day, in 4 months i went threw 2 trannys , transfer case,rear,and a block,the only thing then didnt break has the head due too me building it.
You cant just jump in a car thats nearly 20 yrs old and has probably close to 200k on it and expect to be able to beat the shit out of it every day. The car probably broke because of your lack of knowledge.

My cars still on the stock tranny and axles and has seen hundreds of pulls with both GT42 based turbos and a 35r sized turbo thats on it now. Mine doesnt grind in any gear.
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Just because the car is fast and its a DSM, doesnt mean its a fucking AWD. Yes its RWD but the car was NEVER and i mean NEVER was AWD. The car was released from the factory as an automatic FWD and then it was turned into what u see above.
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ACTUALLY I know quite a bit more then you think my friend. DSMs have their own problems they are plagued with, including crank walk, specifically with the eclipses. And I have seen 800whp evos blow holes though the side of the block, and these are cars built by some of the best DSM tuners in the country. And the block blew with in 2 hours of it leaving the shop.

But the over all reason why the DSM block can handle more then a Honda is its construction. 4g63 are solid cast iron blocks. Its a BITCH to break those, but they weight a ton. Honda chooses aluminum. Its much lighter, but can not handle as high of pressures. Unfortunatly, Mitsubishi's choice of pairing the cast iron black with an aluminum head is a bad choice, seeing as the metals expand at different rates when heated, causing an issue with blown head gaskets.

But if we are going to talk crazy built cars, lets not forget the 4000hp integra. Yeah its a custom block, but who cares, its a 4000hp integra.

4000 HORSEPOWER DRAG INTEGRA! yea... 3 zero's. - Car Videos on StreetFire
Dude nobody gives a shit about that. Thats not even a fucking integra motor. Your an idiot for even posting a video.

I know all about the material that was used to make a 4g63. I built the one in my car.

Just because 1 shop builds 1 car that blows up doesnt mean shit to me. When u take a motor and nearly quadruple the hp to the wheels that it came with from the factory. Even the slightest mishap can throw everything off. Whose to say the shop didnt forget to tighten up a rod bolt? Whose to say that it was all blueprinted correctly? Get my point. The shop probably made a mistake somewhere and forgot 1 minor thing. At 800whp, when shit lets go, yes it gonna put something thru the block. Are u suprised?

Its not hard to have a car last when u take the factory motor out of the car and put one with like 100k miles on it dude. How many Hondas would still be running today if they had the factory motor in them? I bet 60% of the hondas that are driven and beatin on are on a different motor, possibly more. How is that reliability? Yes hondas are reliable, ALOT more then a DSM. But with a motor that makes 150whp, how could it not be.

daf, look at it like this. Lets take whatever motor u want to with 100k miles. Ill take a 4g63 with 100k. Freshen both blocks up with new bearings, rod bolts, and ill even let u sleeve that weak ass 1/2 filled block of your choosing. Must keep the completely stock 100k rotating assembly. Make 500whp and see whose last the longest. To make a long story short. Dont look at the reliable of a completely stock honda with a fucking completely stock swap and then look at a 800whp evo and compare for reliability. Make 800whp in the honda and see how long it last.

BTW, dsm25psi on here has an Evo with 771whp. And its been like that for close to a year now lol.
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:14 PM
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Dude nobody gives a shit about that. Thats not even a fucking integra motor. Your an idiot for even posting a video.

I know all about the material that was used to make a 4g63. I built the one in my car.

Just because 1 shop builds 1 car that blows up doesnt mean shit to me. When u take a motor and nearly quadruple the hp to the wheels that it came with from the factory. Even the slightest mishap can throw everything off. Whose to say the shop didnt forget to tighten up a rod bolt? Whose to say that it was all blueprinted correctly? Get my point. The shop probably made a mistake somewhere and forgot 1 minor thing. At 800whp, when shit lets go, yes it gonna put something thru the block. Are u suprised?

Its not hard to have a car last when u take the factory motor out of the car and put one with like 100k miles on it dude. How many Hondas would still be running today if they had the factory motor in them? I bet 60% of the hondas that are driven and beatin on are on a different motor, possibly more. How is that reliability? Yes hondas are reliable, ALOT more then a DSM. But with a motor that makes 150whp, how could it not be.

daf, look at it like this. Lets take whatever motor u want to with 100k miles. Ill take a 4g63 with 100k. Freshen both blocks up with new bearings, rod bolts, and ill even let u sleeve that weak ass 1/2 filled block of your choosing. Must keep the completely stock 100k rotating assembly. Make 500whp and see whose last the longest. To make a long story short. Dont look at the reliable of a completely stock honda with a fucking completely stock swap and then look at a 800whp evo and compare for reliability. Make 800whp in the honda and see how long it last.

BTW, dsm25psi on here has an Evo with 771whp. And its been like that for close to a year now lol.
And if you knew me, you would not make the bet on relability. Kamikaze and Jacob knows what I mean. besides, my pick up with 250k+ miles on it will still out last your rebuilt block if you want to talk about reliability.

Also, this statement makes me laugh the most

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Its not hard to have a car last when u take the factory motor out of the car and put one with like 100k miles on it dude. How many Hondas would still be running today if they had the factory motor in them? I bet 60% of the hondas that are driven and beatin on are on a different motor, possibly more. How is that reliability? Yes hondas are reliable, ALOT more then a DSM. But with a motor that makes 150whp, how could it not be.
Dude, 60% still on the road is HELL high for any car manufacturer. Bentley actually has the highest record of cars produced vs cars still on the road at something like 60%. As for relability between Hondas and DSMs, I can say first hand that I have had better expirince, and seen more test and time on a Honda motor then a DSM. My mother and my cousin both drive eclipses, and something is always breaking on them, and I am always having to fix them. Hondas on the other hand, I have see some last 200k before needing even a timing belt replaced. Most of this has to do with how it is driven and how it is taken care of, but well taken care of Hondas are well known for outlasting well taken care of DSMs. Hell, in the early 2000s, a guy put 500,000 miles on an Accord. Only regularly scheduled maint was done to the car, no tranny or engine replacement, just scheduled maint. Honda was so impressed by this they gave him a brand new one for free. The guy did the same thing, and turned around and put 1,000,000 miles. Yes, that is MILLION miles. No engine replacement, no tranny replacement.

Now, I can show you Hondas from the 60s and 70s, still running to this day with the factory, from the 60s and 70s motor in them, just a trucking along. Hell, I have seen some of there scooters from the 50s still booking it down the road with the motor it was sold with. now, I realize that during the 70s, Mitsubishi's were actually sold as Dodges here, but those cars I rarely see. And to only one I ever see is the Conquest, which I will admit, was a pretty bad ass car. But seriously, dont try and argue with a Honda guy about reliability. We only do engine swaps cause we want the bigger motors.

btw....you still have crank walk, so you dont get to talk about reliability.

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You cant just jump in a car thats nearly 20 yrs old and has probably close to 200k on it and expect to be able to beat the shit out of it every day. The car probably broke because of your lack of knowledge.

My cars still on the stock tranny and axles and has seen hundreds of pulls with both GT42 based turbos and a 35r sized turbo thats on it now. Mine doesnt grind in any gear.
The car only had 110k original miles. dont think i was lack of knowledge it was because its a dsm,their trannys are not that great unless u have a shep racing trans,and the car had a 30r on it.and i highly doubt your trans never gave u a problem. and stock axles would snap if u had a 35r on a fwd dsm
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And if you knew me, you would not make the bet on relability. Kamikaze and Jacob knows what I mean. besides, my pick up with 250k+ miles on it will still out last your rebuilt block if you want to talk about reliability.

Also, this statement makes me laugh the most



Dude, 60% still on the road is HELL high for any car manufacturer. Bentley actually has the highest record of cars produced vs cars still on the road at something like 60%. As for relability between Hondas and DSMs, I can say first hand that I have had better expirince, and seen more test and time on a Honda motor then a DSM. My mother and my cousin both drive eclipses, and something is always breaking on them, and I am always having to fix them. Hondas on the other hand, I have see some last 200k before needing even a timing belt replaced. Most of this has to do with how it is driven and how it is taken care of, but well taken care of Hondas are well known for outlasting well taken care of DSMs. Hell, in the early 2000s, a guy put 500,000 miles on an Accord. Only regularly scheduled maint was done to the car, no tranny or engine replacement, just scheduled maint. Honda was so impressed by this they gave him a brand new one for free. The guy did the same thing, and turned around and put 1,000,000 miles. Yes, that is MILLION miles. No engine replacement, no tranny replacement.

Now, I can show you Hondas from the 60s and 70s, still running to this day with the factory, from the 60s and 70s motor in them, just a trucking along. Hell, I have seen some of there scooters from the 50s still booking it down the road with the motor it was sold with. now, I realize that during the 70s, Mitsubishi's were actually sold as Dodges here, but those cars I rarely see. And to only one I ever see is the Conquest, which I will admit, was a pretty bad ass car. But seriously, dont try and argue with a Honda guy about reliability. We only do engine swaps cause we want the bigger motors.

btw....you still have crank walk, so you dont get to talk about reliability.

This whole post was for nothing. Please re read my entire post. I said that Hondas are more reliable. Just dont compare an 800whp Evo and a honda with a stock swap for a reliability comparison. Its just not an equal platform.
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The car only had 110k original miles. dont think i was lack of knowledge it was because its a dsm,their trannys are not that great unless u have a shep racing trans,and the car had a 30r on it.and i highly doubt your trans never gave u a problem. and stock axles would snap if u had a 35r on a fwd dsm
The transmissions are not as weak as u think. It was probably lack of knowledge. I can throw out examples but its useless. My car has had a GT4294 with a 1.15 a/r on 25psi and a PTE6165 .81 on 23psi both with MT et streets and ive never had a tranny problem or broke an axle. Hell you can come by the house tomorrow and ill drive around in it to prove it has no grinds what so ever.
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